My thought for the day!

I am yet to see any 5 pointer work through the tensions of the 7 letters of Revelation within the framework of “Justification of Faith. ” Clearly, in those letters, God thinks some form of works is extremely important.

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21 Responses to My thought for the day!

  1. Tiribulus says:

    Craig says: “God thinks some form of works is extremely important.”
    So does every sound five pointer 😉

  2. David McKay says:

    I don’t see why you connected missing the importance of good works with Reformed theology. In my experience it is Free Grace Arminians who deny the necessity of producing fruit.

    • Craig Benno says:

      David. I see some gross stuff there also. To follow what I’m talking about; you need to follow the comments on John Dicksons thread where one Reformed minister makes the case you got to believe the doctrine of justification to be saved. Works has no place in the salvation process…. I think the letter to the churches in Revelations says a lot about what it means to put faith in Christ.

  3. David McKay says:

    Hi Craig. I’ve been reading it, too. Are you saying you disagree with the doctrine of justification by faith? I don’t think that John [the writer of Revelation] does.

  4. David McKay says:

    And I also don’t think anyone I’ve been reading on this hijacked thread [originally about how to think about and treat Muslims] would say they disagree with the necessity of good works, though I don’t think they would say that salvation is part Christ, part our works.

  5. David McKay says:

    I think the relationship between justification and works requires careful thought and articulation. I havent seen a better one than Ardel Caneday and Tom Schreiner’s effort, in The Race Set Before Us

  6. Tiribulus says:

    I certainly don’t believe that Lazarus played any part in raising himself from the dead, but once raised he did obey his masters voice and walk outta that tomb. Had he laid there stiff and stinking with no pulse, nobody would have believed he was alive. And quite rightly so. Faith without works is dead indeed.

    Whatever Catholicism is? It ain’t the religion of the scriptures. Asking whether Catholics are saved is the wrong question. The question is, is that the gospel? The answer is, not even close. If there are regenerate Catholics (big C), it is by the incredible mercy of God in spite of and not because of a monstrous false church that He hates.

  7. Tiribulus says:

    Craig asks: “Greg..Is John 3 16 a true statement…”
    🙂 Of course

    Craig asks: “Also when it comes to works..why dont we hear the reformers talking about the 7 letters to the churches…”
    I don’t know exactly who you mean by “reformers, but the letters to the seven churches of the apocalypse have been well covered by Calvinists.

    Craig asks: “while works may not save us…they can kill us.”
    Not the elect.

    John 6:
    28-Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” 29Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” …

    35-Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. 36-“But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. 37-“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38-“For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39-“This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40-“For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day”….

    “44-No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.”…

    65-And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father. 66-As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore. 67So Jesus said to the twelve, “You do not want to go away also, do you?”

    How bout you brother?

    It is wholly commonplace for multitudes to “have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, (Hebrews 6)

    …simply by attending a good church and NEVER been actually raised from death in sin to new life in Christ.

    • Craig Benno says:

      I think your miss hearing me Greg. Not sure if its deliberate or not. My point is that believing in the doctrine of justification by faith is not what saves you.

      Putting your faith in Christ, is what saves you. TRUE faith in Christ will be shown through the fruit of the Spirit working in and through you and through your obedience to the works God sets you to do.

      If you show no fruit, no matter how much you believe, it would appear the Spirit of God isn’t in the believe.

      • Tiribulus says:

        I would never play games with you on purpose Craig. Do know that. 🙂

        Believing in Christ alone through faith alone, by grace alone is the only acceptable heart before God.

        Circumcision was the legit sign of covenant for 1800 years before the time of Paul and he says that that one addition to the gospel for justification buys one an unceremonious anathema AND he hopes they castrate themselves for trying.

      • Craig Benno says:

        Of course. If even the demons believe…what is the sign of salvation

      • Craig Benno says:

        P.s. i know you dont play games…my status has been about works and what God says in Revelation in the letters to the churches.

        Have you ever preached on the within the framework of Justification by Faith?

  8. Tiribulus says:

    1 John 3:
    1-See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2-Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. 3-And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

    4-Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5-You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6-No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. 7-Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 8-Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9-No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. 10-By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother..

    • Craig Benno says:

      So the sign of salvation is good works and the lack of good works leads to the loss of salvation.

      • Tiribulus says:

        The non practice of sin and the practice of righteousness mark the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil. The practice. Not the instance nor the struggle. The practice.

        A person not practicing righteous is yet to have ever been a Christian.
        1st John 2:
        18-Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. 19-They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us

      • Tiribulus says:

        To be clear, I wasn’t being antagonistic Craig 🙂

      • Craig Benno says:

        I know your not mate. 🙂

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